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Why is this forum so bad between all the users? Answer by: Grim-Cat

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3:00 am
October 21, 2013


Grim-Cat

I am a worm before I am a man.

Moderator

posts 1573

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The ignorance of the stubborn people and the intolerance of those who don't like them are not two different sides, both belong to the same kind of ideology; the hurtful one, which is wrong.

Let me show you the format of a typical talk on any topic on this forum, but since it is not right to point out persons, I will use some names that are present in my life:

 

Ora: All of you suck because you don't let me win.

Grim: WTF? Are you idiot? We are not supposed to let you win, go play another game idiot.

Ora: Who are you calling idiot? You're the idiot.

Grim: This is just spam, spam and spam, moderators delete this she is just insulting and this topic is useless. Idiot Ora.

Rob: That is not allowed here, you are banned.

 

Now they got banned, who would you blame?

a) If you blame Ora for making spam topics, do you think the first answer by Grim was correct?

b) If you blame Grim for replying a spam topic or for starting fights, do you think Ora started a good topic?

 

The answer is easy. As I said before, both ideologies are wrong and that kind of behaviour leads only to more problems, so the correct answer is:

 

c) Either Ora and Grim are guilty, none of them acted right.

 

Lets remember what happened recently on this forum:

 

1. The A person was spamming and being annoying.

2. The B person and the C person threw hate on him.

3. Some of them were banned.

4. The D person said: ''I'm glad you were banned, I hope you never come back''.

 

Now you have to wonder:

Is the A person any different from Ora? No.

Are the B person and the C person different from Grim? No.

Is the D person different from Ora, Grim, the person A or the persons B and C? No.

 

What could be an efficient solution to this problem?

Do yourself a favour and answer in your mind the following questions:

 

When you don't like certain kind of music, do you listen to it?

When a kid doesn't know how to do the homework, do his parents help him if they shout at him for not knowing?

If you lived in the medieval age, would you have killed people (including women and children) who don't practice your religion?

 

Don't bother to say you agree with this topic, I know each of you.

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5:57 am
October 21, 2013


SenSeI101

South Park

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you allow 2 much freedom,spammer take advantage of forum rules.

spammers,flamers should get banned asap ,they will come back with v2,v3 etc.

dosent matter eventually they will stop.  other forum dont tolerate this things only this forum does.

there are lots of ppl should have received  banned or warning earlier, i still dont know why you allow to keep them around.

for becoming this forum for what it is now blame goes both ways to staff for not banning members when they should have

& to forum members also.

 

for example The lounge section says for all off topic discussion,there staff should keep boundaries of discussion

for  games  related,music,movies  etc.. but troll person will take advantage will make topic about killing.

show them big neon sign Exit door ,go to facebook,youtube just not here.

all forum discussion should be related to the game when staff is the one who keeping off-topic makers around.

 

if staff dont keep authority over members saying we all are friends here then this is what you get a bad forum.

deleting off-topics every day is not enough,ban the spammer that is my point.

few people got banned recent this is nice step,hoping more clean-up in the future.

 

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7:02 am
October 21, 2013


Birogrolph

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Excellent post by Grim-Cat; I only hope everyone who accesses the forum has a chance to read this and that it has an impact

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7:22 am
October 21, 2013


Grim-Cat

I am a worm before I am a man.

Moderator

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SenSeI101 said:

You allow too much freedom, spammers take advantage of forum rules.

About an 80% of the users here agree with you that some people should be banned right after they do anything wrong; I would rather to ban them, in example, only for 24 hours, and if they keep doing the same, then ban them permanently, just like the way the chat room works.

Sadly, I have not the permissions to do so. And believe me, I tried to delete every thread and post that were spam or offensive, but it is just so much work to do, specially when they either just repost everytime one of their posts gets deleted or acuse me of being a tyrant abusing of my power as a moderator (and it is only me who cares to do that daily), and if you consider how long I have been doing this, it gets pointless when they just don't listen.

That is why I am trying to make them do awareness about how they could be nice so they don't actually need me or any other member from the staff to be here.

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8:43 am
October 21, 2013


Rob Donkin

UK

Admin

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I agree that there is a problem. For Bad Eggs 2 we are building a better forum that will massively improve the moderation side of things and hopefully improve the community as a result.

8:48 am
October 21, 2013


Grim-Cat

I am a worm before I am a man.

Moderator

posts 1573

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I'm not sure if you are taking suggestions or if my idea is too hard to make, but here it goes:

 

Make dislike buttons for each topic and post, if one gets certain number of dislikes, it automatically gets hidden as spam, and if it gets -too many- dislikes it gets automatically deleted.

 

That way you won't have the problem about the moderators being away.

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12:31 pm
October 21, 2013


ChoasReaper

He mysticaly arived from the shadows and assasinated hators

Bad Egg

posts 172

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Grim-Cat said:

I'm not sure if you are taking suggestions or if my idea is too hard to make, but here it goes:

 

Make dislike buttons for each topic and post, if one gets certain number of dislikes, it automatically gets hidden as spam, and if it gets -too many- dislikes it gets automatically deleted.

 

That way you won't have the problem about the moderators being away.

Best Topic in beo! 

Nicely done Grim!

Good idea.

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12:47 pm
October 21, 2013


Nestarc

300 Km/H!

Sunny Side Up

posts 42

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Good Idea…

I now don't even have a chance to be a moderator…For just a stupid thing.But anyways…

                 Some of you are so pathetic.

3:27 pm
October 21, 2013


Mageg

The Alpha and the Omegga

Moderator

posts 819

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Grim-Cat said:

I'm not sure if you are taking suggestions or if my idea is too hard to make, but here it goes:

 

Make dislike buttons for each topic and post, if one gets certain number of dislikes, it automatically gets hidden as spam, and if it gets -too many- dislikes it gets automatically deleted.

 

That way you won't have the problem about the moderators being away.

The issue with this is that if a group of people who don't like a certain player are all around, they can just all jump on
that post and hate on it.
There's a system that will provide an incentive for users to make higher quality posts and clean up a lot of the hate that
gets thrown around these days. 

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5:41 pm
October 21, 2013


smelyegg

Away.

Badder than Bad

posts 3566

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Banning Issue:

It'll be hard to ban someone who has many accounts. I for instance,have many. If I were to get banned (which is highly unlikely),I would just use one of my many other accounts.

It is actually almost impossible to ban someone if they just keep on making e.g. Yahoo E-Mails and making a new account here.

Google can block someone from making an account (in there house). I do not think the Donkin's can do that. 

Banning people can make things better or worse. It is hard to know.

  • Better: They do not come back
  • Worse: They make a new account and spam,troll,hack ect.

7:16 pm
October 21, 2013


V3n0m

Bad Egg

posts 162

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I think we are all guilty of rude or "trolling" behavior at one point or another. It's the internet, so it's easier to ignore the fact that there is a real person on the other end.

 

I know from my own experience, I tend to be short or condescending more times than I should, especially considering most of the time I am having conversations with people less than half my age.

 

I am happy to hear Rob & John are working on creating a more friendly atmosphere for BEO 2, and look forward to seeing everyone there (hopefully soon :D) 

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8:35 pm
October 21, 2013


troll2

Rotten to the Core

posts 924

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Rob the faster way to avoid multiaccounts and spamers and fakers its by ip adrees, if u let the forum show the IP of each user who reply thsi way they canot say its wasnt me.

 

we now the troublemakers here have multiacounts, others even try to fool ppl adding admin or mod to they profile or wearing your respectives avatars, others just make alter accounts to dig their own topics or ideas.

 

so if we can see the ip adrees at the end of each post we can sure reduce 90% of fakers, spamers and problems.

 

and its an easy way that the 90% of forumns have active to avoid this.IP coontrol is the best option for a forum like beo2

 

also it could be usefull avoid to users to reply to all topics in one day, like so many do here, its like if there were a need to reply to every dam topic, and read their their names in all the topics at the same tiem. or could be useful to add a limit to 5 replys per day that could help to avoid ppl use topics as a chat room, like the users whot a huge amount over 3500 post do all the time.

 

cheers

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9:19 pm
October 21, 2013


Grim-Cat

I am a worm before I am a man.

Moderator

posts 1573

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Don't you remember the old topics with people like epicgamer, Cheatyface, etc.? There were a lot of replies but they were not spam, they all went right to the point, it was pure analysis of the gameplay. To be honest I think you can't limit the amount of posts when something is brand new like BEO2, all users will have a lot to talk about and it won't be like here, in this forum we don't have anything left to talk about the game, but when BEO2 comes, all the good topics will be back.

And the IP idea is good, but only for Rob, and I think he can already see our IP's, don't forget some users have brothers and sisters and they can have multiple accounts from the same IP adress.

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6:58 am
October 22, 2013


Reaper Pro

Who says Im a Reaper? I SAY SO

Hard Boiled

posts 108

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Exactly why im looking forward to BEO2.

Bring Me The HEAT!! 

 

I CAN HANDLE ANYTHING!!

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11:16 am
October 22, 2013


Dr.Derky

Sunny Side Up

posts 31

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Someone said something about hard to ban many people but Zolton called me up on skype, he said he is ip banned, he cant do forum, play, updates, etc.

[Edited by Admin - inappropriate]

1:10 pm
October 22, 2013


albertpujols5

In a nasty world.

Badder than Bad

posts 4171

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Dr. Derky you are Zolton, I am sad to say. Nicely I will ask you to please remove that signature of my name as it is no longer happening. You make it too obvious that you are him because that's the only person you talk about. Please stop "trolling" because we already know.

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2:05 pm
October 22, 2013


troll2

Rotten to the Core

posts 924

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albertpujols5 said:

Dr. Derky you are Zolton, I am sad to say. Nicely I will ask you to please remove that signature of my name as it is no longer happening. You make it too obvious that you are him because that's the only person you talk about. Please stop "trolling" because we already know.

look Grim, this is a perfect example of  your theme topic and a perfect example of a user who only looks for start fight and screw topics, this is why some users should have reply privileges disable. or a limit that one reply per day.

now as fot the old topics , i do remember , specially cheatyface ones, but sadly the forum full of ppl who only reply

 

i agree, nice idea , good, lol, i like it, thank you so much, this is spam, i support, good job,  etc…,

 

and that ppl just reply that because they look for being the one wit more post , no matter if all their posts were useless for the forum.

this is why Rob / John need to limit the amount of replys for day.

 

now u always have the chat to keep talking and debating about an epic topic. and u can drop a reply per day to that topic if u have something else to add, or as u know u can use edit button if its the case.

 

or Rob/John can make an earning privileges forum , all users being wit all permissions blocked, (delete,edit,add links, add media , etc,cant start topics ,etc,,,) only reply allowed  , and u can earn permissions by behavior.

Rob and John could let a few special users and mods ,from BEO1 have full privileges active.

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5:20 pm
October 22, 2013


Mageg

The Alpha and the Omegga

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troll2 said:

so if we can see the ip adrees at the end of each post we can sure reduce 90% of fakers, spamers and problems.and its an easy way that the 90% of forumns have active to avoid this.IP coontrol is the best option for a forum like beo2

also it could be usefull avoid to users to reply to all topics in one day, like so many do here, its like if there were a need to reply to every dam topic, and read their their names in all the topics at the same tiem. or could be useful to add a limit to 5 replys per day that could help to avoid ppl use topics as a chat room, like the users whot a huge amount over 3500 post do all the time.

 

cheers

 

While this in theory is a great idea, it poses a huge security risk. 
Your IP is something you usually want to keep to yourself, it's as precious as to guard it with lock and key but you
don't want to go around spreading it. Just letting someone have your IP won't let them hack your computer and infect your
desktop, however it does pose certain risks and it's for this reason that we'd never give out a user's IP to anyone.

Multi-accounting, along with other precautions are going to be dealt with very differently on the new forum as it gives
us far more flexibility and control rather than the way it is now which feels pretty basic. Plus, as I said before there will be
incentive to make higher quality posts, a reply to a thread saying "Bump", "lol",":D" will be considered spam and we'd really
like the forum to be a place for discussion rather than some giant target to see who can get the highest post count. 

 

Hope this helps!

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6:44 am
October 23, 2013


Birogrolph

Bad Eggs Online

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Maybe removing 'number of posts' from a users profile will deter people from trying to gain the highest post count?

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4:27 pm
October 23, 2013


Hybrid4sure

California

Bad Egg

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Birogrolph said:

Maybe removing 'number of posts' from a users profile will deter people from trying to gain the highest post count?

And there's another problem with situations like these. If you remove the post count from a forum simply because of a half dozen spammers, its not at all fair to the people who make quality posts often, and earn a huge post count legitimately. Its fun to see how many posts you've made.

Of course, this is a dilemma with any sort of punishment. If you implement a system to prevent users from doing something wrong, you risk being unfair to the other users. Its tough. I'm sure Rob and John have something figured out for BEO2, though.

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